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christopher steele is not an american citizen, he's a british citizen. someone who's worked with american intelligence agencies and national security agencies for years. but he was so concerned by what he saw, and cared so much about america's national security, that he took it upon himself to call the fbi. contrast that with donald trump jr. who saw the russians want to interfere with the selection and said, i love it. jared kushner, who got an e-mail saying the same thing, and went to a meeting. contrast that with lindsey graham and chuck grassley, who see christopher steele tried to blow the whistle, and refer him for criminal charges, try to have him prosecuted and sent to jail. it really is i would say a shameful moment for those two members of the 93. >> well said. matt miller, frank piglusi, thank you both. >>> for more on russian efforts to block the dossier testimony from being released, msnbc contributor jennifer rubin, conservative columnist for "the washington post." and evan mcmullin, independent presidential candidate in 2016, who also happ
christopher steele is not an american citizen, he's a british citizen. someone who's worked with american intelligence agencies and national security agencies for years. but he was so concerned by what he saw, and cared so much about america's national security, that he took it upon himself to call the fbi. contrast that with donald trump jr. who saw the russians want to interfere with the selection and said, i love it. jared kushner, who got an e-mail saying the same thing, and went to a...
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his team have gone back and reinterviewed christopher steele. so i think it's very important the government has been able to take it seriously. and ultimately i think we'll find out whether any of those leads were true when bob mueller finishes his work. whether we as a public are better off, that's tough. for all of donald trump's behavior, it does put the president in a difficult position when you have allegations put out publicly. he can deny them, but it's very tough to push back on something like this when the sources are kind of hidden, kind of blind, and i do think that's a difficult place for the president to be. but look, he's not helped himself throughout this investigation. if he had behaved the way you would expect most presidents to do and made a statement about what his conduct was instead of trying to undermine the people who commissioned this information, i think he'd be in a much better place. >> jennifer, i'm curious. will you view the results of the mueller investigation as the chief among equals, the preeminent investigation?
his team have gone back and reinterviewed christopher steele. so i think it's very important the government has been able to take it seriously. and ultimately i think we'll find out whether any of those leads were true when bob mueller finishes his work. whether we as a public are better off, that's tough. for all of donald trump's behavior, it does put the president in a difficult position when you have allegations put out publicly. he can deny them, but it's very tough to push back on...
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especially christopher steele, the former british intelligence agent, as being thorough professionals. as simpson being very open and forthcoming in my reading of the transcript, answering questions, not prevaricating, not dodging, not seeming to tell conflicting stories. the dossier portraying christopher steele of almost stumbling into something that seemed like a true security threat. the united states of america, where christopher steele and simpson felt there was an obligation to notify federal authorities in the u.s., that in fact russia may have its hooks into donald trump in a deeply troubling way that really, for simpson out of patriotic duty, and for steele out of duty of a former official and one of america's closest allies obliged them to report this, and that completely runs counter to the republican narrative of this entire enterprise of having been essentially a democratic-funded, political smear hit job trafficking and fiction. >> the solacious portions of this were so gross, and the attack had been so unending, so unrelenting by the gop, christopher steele's name has
especially christopher steele, the former british intelligence agent, as being thorough professionals. as simpson being very open and forthcoming in my reading of the transcript, answering questions, not prevaricating, not dodging, not seeming to tell conflicting stories. the dossier portraying christopher steele of almost stumbling into something that seemed like a true security threat. the united states of america, where christopher steele and simpson felt there was an obligation to notify...
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i had known christopher steele since i left the wall street journal. he was an extremely well-regarded investigator. that is broadly why i asked him to see what he could find out about donald trump's business activities in russia. question, in may of june of 2016 you hired steele to find out what he could about trump's business activities in russia. did something in particular trigger that assignment? answer, the basis for the request he made a number of trips to russia and talked about doing a number of business deals but never did one and that struck me as odd and called for an explanation. we didn't know. it was opaque what donald trump was doing on these business trips to russia. we didn't know what he was doing there. we gave chris an assignment to see what donald trump has been doing on these trips to russia. that's only up to page 82 and that's where it gets really interesting. we'll be right back. (vo) i was born during the winter of '77. i first met james in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truc
i had known christopher steele since i left the wall street journal. he was an extremely well-regarded investigator. that is broadly why i asked him to see what he could find out about donald trump's business activities in russia. question, in may of june of 2016 you hired steele to find out what he could about trump's business activities in russia. did something in particular trigger that assignment? answer, the basis for the request he made a number of trips to russia and talked about doing a...
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you have christopher steele, a british citizen, mi6 russia expert, alerting them. they're being alerted by the fbi, being investigated by the fbi. knowing what they knew, how can lindsey graham, best friend of john mccain, justify turning this around and demonizing christopher steele and fusion gps? >> you ask the same question that i have been asking, which is, remember, how did the fbi and steele get together? and that was through john mccain. one of the closest friends and colleagues that lindsey graham has in the senate. but instead, as you say, he's off on this wild goose chain. the republicans didn't want us to learn lots of things that were in this testimony. i didn't know, for example, they determined that, for example, donald trump was doing business in former soviet states. donald trump kept denying he did business in russia. but he didn't say anything about georgia and azerbaijan, two places that still figured out he was active in. he talked about ties with people connected to the russian mob. he talked about, as you have said, other people within the tr
you have christopher steele, a british citizen, mi6 russia expert, alerting them. they're being alerted by the fbi, being investigated by the fbi. knowing what they knew, how can lindsey graham, best friend of john mccain, justify turning this around and demonizing christopher steele and fusion gps? >> you ask the same question that i have been asking, which is, remember, how did the fbi and steele get together? and that was through john mccain. one of the closest friends and colleagues...
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steele is information they got from the justice department about christopher steele. they didn't turn up anything in their congressional investigation that the justice department didn't already know about. what they did today is gave the justice department back their own information that they had obtained from the justice department about christopher steele saying hey, have you seen this? no seriously, this stuff you gave us, have you seen it? we're sending it back to you. that is not the way these things usually go. for obvious reasons, that is not the way these things usually go. but they did put out a very strongly worded press release about it and got lots and lots of headlines about how they want this guy criminally prosecuted, the dossier guy. you know, it's incredible. once upon a time, it is incredible. once upon a time, this white house was actually concerned that the republican-led congress and it's congressional investigations into the russia matter might be something the white house had to worry about, that the white house should try to shut down. we know
steele is information they got from the justice department about christopher steele. they didn't turn up anything in their congressional investigation that the justice department didn't already know about. what they did today is gave the justice department back their own information that they had obtained from the justice department about christopher steele saying hey, have you seen this? no seriously, this stuff you gave us, have you seen it? we're sending it back to you. that is not the way...
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how did christopher steele know that? did the fbi tell him? and, if they did, why is the fbi telling christopher steele, the guy who was paid by fusion, who was paid by the clinton campaign, why isn't the fbi telling christopher steele they got another source on this whole russian investigation? i think that is interesting and something we need to get to the bottom of. >> jon: let's bring in jake sherman senior writer for politico and co-author of politico's playbook. first of all, the release of this transcript, chuck grassley is not happy about it. he's the head of the committee. why would senator feinstein do that? >> you would have to ask her why she would do it, but i would say, listen, i think democrats are trying to very clearly assert themselves on these matters. i think, listen, they are not in the majority. so they have very little leeway to do anything of substance. but they obviously were in position of -- in possession of this transcript which they subsequently released. this is not something that is typical in washington. i will
how did christopher steele know that? did the fbi tell him? and, if they did, why is the fbi telling christopher steele, the guy who was paid by fusion, who was paid by the clinton campaign, why isn't the fbi telling christopher steele they got another source on this whole russian investigation? i think that is interesting and something we need to get to the bottom of. >> jon: let's bring in jake sherman senior writer for politico and co-author of politico's playbook. first of all, the...
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he was murdered because he was working for christopher steele. we know hillary clinton and the democratic national committee paid millions of dollars to fusion gps who paid a lot of money to steele, we don't quite know how much yet, to work with a retired kgb general was murdered and never worked for free in his life. as far as i'm concerned calling this intelligence is just flat incorrect. >> even if that were all true, it wouldn't make it not intelligence. just because somebody died -- >> sure it is. it's political research. >> but if it was being done by an intelligence agent from the uk who was -- >> not anymore. both retired. both in the private investigation. >> that is what he is. that's why he was respected by the fbi when he came. >> not anymore. >> is james clapper said this man has a sterling background and reputation. >> he's not in intelligence work anymore, chris. >> that's a semantics thing. >> he is in the political opposition research. that's a big difference. >> i don't know that it is in terms of assessing the character of the
he was murdered because he was working for christopher steele. we know hillary clinton and the democratic national committee paid millions of dollars to fusion gps who paid a lot of money to steele, we don't quite know how much yet, to work with a retired kgb general was murdered and never worked for free in his life. as far as i'm concerned calling this intelligence is just flat incorrect. >> even if that were all true, it wouldn't make it not intelligence. just because somebody died --...
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steel memo, and i only quote, this is the june 20th, 2016 investigation report from christopher steel, he tates, quote, former top russian intelligence officers claim fsb has compromised trump through his activities in moscow, sufficiently to be able to blackmail him. according to several knowledgeable sources, his conduct in moscow is included. perverted and sexual acts which have been arranged, monitored by the fsb. this information was not provided to the fbi at -- by the request of the democrats. it was provided on the basis that christopher steel believed he had information about an on going criminal act where the president of the united states could potentially be blackmailed by the russians. now what other evidence do we have corroborating christopher steel? one, you have keith schiller who was his bodyguard, who testified before congress that, in fact, trump was offered women and now you've got stormy daniels who blackmailed him based on sexual conduct. so this is a situation where you have corroboration for christopher steel, even though the republicans are going after him. >
steel memo, and i only quote, this is the june 20th, 2016 investigation report from christopher steel, he tates, quote, former top russian intelligence officers claim fsb has compromised trump through his activities in moscow, sufficiently to be able to blackmail him. according to several knowledgeable sources, his conduct in moscow is included. perverted and sexual acts which have been arranged, monitored by the fsb. this information was not provided to the fbi at -- by the request of the...
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what more do we know about this potential investigation into christopher steele? >> well, katy, this is a partisan referral by the republicans only on the judiciary committee. that doesn't mean we should discount it, but something our viewers should keep in mind. and the other thing to know is it's classified. we don't have the exact details but i have been doing some reporting an talking to some sources and i have come away the impression it is essentially about what christopher steele said about his contacts with reporters. apparently something he told the fbi contradicted with something that appeared through another source and important to understand, too, that the republicans are not even alleging that christopher steele intentionally lied here, but a material mistake in a criminal investigation. that's leading a lot of democrats to really question the whole premise of this, why this would be a criminal referral and sort of underscores the point to which the republicans have really been going after steele and the dossier and fusion gps, the firm that hired ste
what more do we know about this potential investigation into christopher steele? >> well, katy, this is a partisan referral by the republicans only on the judiciary committee. that doesn't mean we should discount it, but something our viewers should keep in mind. and the other thing to know is it's classified. we don't have the exact details but i have been doing some reporting an talking to some sources and i have come away the impression it is essentially about what christopher steele...
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the man that created the dossier christopher steele. later, all the things that trump administration did this week. it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same. but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. of the season' on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. does your bed do that? right now our queen c4 mattress is only $1199, save $400. ends soon. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you. >>> nbc news reports tonight that multiple trump white house officials urged jeff sessions not to recuse himself in the russia investigation. in addition to top white hous
the man that created the dossier christopher steele. later, all the things that trump administration did this week. it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same. but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when...
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hired christopher steele to do hiswork. they have succeeded in harassing fusion gps foengsly to the existential limit. today they forcinged fusion bank to hand over financial records relating to the firm. all financial records relating to the firm which may very well zri them as a firm. after paul ryan intervened on his behalf crusading trump partisan congressman devin nunes heading up the intelligence committee succeeded in forcing the fbi to hand over quote fisher investigative documents considered law enforcement sensitive and are rarely released or shared outside the bureau. the fbi had resisted handing over the documents because they're relevant to the ongoing investigation, the law enforcement sensitive. but now justice department doesn't feel that strongly about it anymore. they caved handing them over in the middle of the investigation. they're also handing over high ranking fisher officials who will now be questioned by nuns and his committee even though the same officials have said for them to testify at this poin
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accusing christopher steele of potentially misleading the fbi. >> you write most of the stories from which i learn these facts, but donald trump's allies in the media and some of them in congress are engaged in the smear campaign against the fbi, describing it as in tatters. what i deduce from reading the kra transcripts of glen simpson's testimony before the senate judiciary committee, is that christopher steele went to a meeting with an fbi contact in rome, i don't want to characterize it too much, but it had the impression that the fbi was unfazed by what he was telling them so he left with this belief that it hadn't been elevated. in fact the fbi had opened an investigation, they had this walk in whistle blower, which i understand from some reporting might have been george pop develop li popadopoulos is that your understanding? >> from what i understand from the timeline, this transcript one of the real values of releasing this is it helps us establish a clear understanding of how this began. the fbi opened this investigation in the final days of july based on the information tha
accusing christopher steele of potentially misleading the fbi. >> you write most of the stories from which i learn these facts, but donald trump's allies in the media and some of them in congress are engaged in the smear campaign against the fbi, describing it as in tatters. what i deduce from reading the kra transcripts of glen simpson's testimony before the senate judiciary committee, is that christopher steele went to a meeting with an fbi contact in rome, i don't want to characterize...
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eric: so did christopher steel lie? why are the two top republicans demanding possible criminal charge against him. more on that straight ahead. arthel: plus california becomes the sixth state for recreational marijuana, and pursuing cases in some states, why lawmakers are speaking out about this. >> i believe that we will be able to preserve access in california and other states and that we will effectively sell -- tell the federal government to butt out. #stuffynose #stuffynose #nosleep #mouthbreather just put on a breathe right strip it instantly opens your nose... up to 38% more than cold medicine alone go to breatheright.com today to request a free sample. and when youod sugar is a replace one meal... choices. ...or snack a day with glucerna... ...made with carbsteady... ...to help minimize blood sugar spikes... ...you can really feel it. now with 30% less carbs and sugars. glucerna. so we sent that sample i doff to ancestry. i was from ethnically. my ancestry dna results are that i am 26% nigerian. i am just tryin
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what we learned in this transcript today was that christopher steele came to believe that the fbi actually had a lot of information outside of the dossier to open this investigation into trump and russia. >> woodruff: and that being important because it suggests that it wasn't christopher steele through some nefarious effort to undermine the trump campaign or glenn simpson, but it was an independent person in the australian diplomat that triggered the fbi effort. >> right. what we reported last month that two of the critical factors in opening the investigation in july 2016, were the information that alexander downer, the australian, passed through other australian officials to the fbi. at the same time as the release, the spilling out of hacked e-mails that we now know the russians did right before the democratic national convention. these were two of the driving factors that led the fbi to question whether there was a campaign connection between trump campaign and russia and they opened this counter intelligence investigation which now is still ongoing under the purview of robert mueller
what we learned in this transcript today was that christopher steele came to believe that the fbi actually had a lot of information outside of the dossier to open this investigation into trump and russia. >> woodruff: and that being important because it suggests that it wasn't christopher steele through some nefarious effort to undermine the trump campaign or glenn simpson, but it was an independent person in the australian diplomat that triggered the fbi effort. >> right. what we...
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what was christopher steele's role. who was he working with in the justice department of the fbi. >> but politico this. it's quote clearly another effort to take away attention from what should be the committee's top priority, determining whether there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia to influence the election and whether there was subsequent obstruction of justice. this is the first known criminal referral from congress as part of the russia investigation. >> thank you so much >>> so for more on this, let's bring in david french, senior writer at the national review and senior fellow at for joinin. let me get to one point real quickly and that was from senator dianne feinstein who said is this a deflection point for the republicans trying to distract fbi -- the fbi investigation and also the i mew truly because we haven't seen the actual evidence. but the fact of the matter is if senator graham and if senator grassley have made a credible referral for investigation, which right now we don't have any
what was christopher steele's role. who was he working with in the justice department of the fbi. >> but politico this. it's quote clearly another effort to take away attention from what should be the committee's top priority, determining whether there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia to influence the election and whether there was subsequent obstruction of justice. this is the first known criminal referral from congress as part of the russia investigation. >>...
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christopher steele, the former british intelligence agent who had written memos now called a dossier on donald trump's russian connections for fusion gps. today senator dianne feinstein decided to release the transcript about that dossier that the republican chairman of the committee chuck grassley was refusing to release. now normally testimony given to the committee privately behind closed doors would only be released as a result of an agreement by the chairman of the committee and the ranking member. but dianne feinstein violated that tradition and just released it herself. ranking member is a term that has absolutely no meaning outside the capitol hill campus of the united states congress. it is the title that goes to the highest ranking member of the minority party on a senate committee, the person who would be chair of that committee if their party was in the majority. in the old days of bush and the clinton era, that distant period, ranking members on committees that operated in true bipartisan style had real power. not even half the power of the chairman, but more power than
christopher steele, the former british intelligence agent who had written memos now called a dossier on donald trump's russian connections for fusion gps. today senator dianne feinstein decided to release the transcript about that dossier that the republican chairman of the committee chuck grassley was refusing to release. now normally testimony given to the committee privately behind closed doors would only be released as a result of an agreement by the chairman of the committee and the...
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the fbi was telling christopher steele there was an investigation. the fbi, according to glenn simpson many testimony, the fbi shared with christopher steele, again, the author of the dossier, shared with christopher steele the fact that there was supposedly some second source. who that is, we are not sure. >> harris: you know, it's interesting. what i'm learning from you now is okay, let's just let this sit out there but let's take a closer look what we can learn from it what are the gaps you think you can fill in from fusion gps transcript? >> i think it only confirmed what we thought and what i said earlier that there was a -- remember the one text message between peter strzok and lisa page. they said we need an insurance policy. we need a plan to make sure the american people don't elect donald trump as the next president. what was part of that plan? i think it was using christopher steele's work product, thes to yea as the basis to go to the fisa court to spy on americans. also part of their plan to take information, leak it to the press to furt
the fbi was telling christopher steele there was an investigation. the fbi, according to glenn simpson many testimony, the fbi shared with christopher steele, again, the author of the dossier, shared with christopher steele the fact that there was supposedly some second source. who that is, we are not sure. >> harris: you know, it's interesting. what i'm learning from you now is okay, let's just let this sit out there but let's take a closer look what we can learn from it what are the...
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you have christopher steele who reported this information to the fbi. none of them felt compelled to the go to the u.s. law enforcement. >> steele was so worried about what he uncovered that he felt he needed to go to the fbi. wasn't that exactly the right thing to do? >> i think it was. and when you look at simpson's testimony and you walk through the process that they actually took to get to the point of hiring christopher steele, what they did was typical risk consulting firm work, from my opinion. i've seen some of these types of reports when they're doing political risk from other countries, but what's different in this aspect is the information they're uncovering. so when christopher steele ends up finding out there might be some collusion he goes to the fbi officials to let them know i see a problem here that could affect national security. >> senator feinstein released the dossier without the support of senator grassley. she said the american people deserve the opportunity to see what he said and judge for themselves. it's part of a deeply troub
you have christopher steele who reported this information to the fbi. none of them felt compelled to the go to the u.s. law enforcement. >> steele was so worried about what he uncovered that he felt he needed to go to the fbi. wasn't that exactly the right thing to do? >> i think it was. and when you look at simpson's testimony and you walk through the process that they actually took to get to the point of hiring christopher steele, what they did was typical risk consulting firm...
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so what are they trying to get here with the launch into christopher steele? >> reporter: well, they said they have found evidence that christopher steele may have lied to federal agents about his contacts with reporters about whether or not he told the media certain aspects of the dossier, even though he was telling federal agents he was fought speaking to reporters. it's unclear how congress has evidence of this, because steel. has not instead to congress so they couldn't be comparing and contra contrasting certain statements he gave to congress and the fbi. that's why legal scholars have said this seems like a political stuntp. because unless congress or these senators have information that the fbi does not already have, then they're really not adding anything of value. that really makes this seem like a bigp r stunt. >> look, those within the white house administration suggested this would be over by the end of the year. >> that clearly is not the case s. there any time line into the end of the mueller investigation? is there any sense of how far he's gott
so what are they trying to get here with the launch into christopher steele? >> reporter: well, they said they have found evidence that christopher steele may have lied to federal agents about his contacts with reporters about whether or not he told the media certain aspects of the dossier, even though he was telling federal agents he was fought speaking to reporters. it's unclear how congress has evidence of this, because steel. has not instead to congress so they couldn't be comparing...
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chief of those is the two fundamental did the fbi pay christopher steel the author of the dossier at the same time the clinton campaign and fusion gps were paying him and was that dossier the basis for securing the warrants at the fisa court to spy on americans associated with the trump campaign. liz: former trump 2016 campaign national spokesperson and american first policy spokesperson she's katrina pierson. good to see you. >> great to be here. liz: the back story is unprecedented spying powers that the intelligence community has gathered over the years, over the last decade or so now turned on political opponents but senator dianne feinstein says lindsay graham and chuck grassley are just playing politics at this is just a distraction from the overall russia probe and you say what? well what i say is what took so long and this is not something that wasn't known. this is something that was not verified and as to jim jordan was actually used to play these little spy games they were doing in the deep state so what took them so long and it seems like that the house intel committee se
chief of those is the two fundamental did the fbi pay christopher steel the author of the dossier at the same time the clinton campaign and fusion gps were paying him and was that dossier the basis for securing the warrants at the fisa court to spy on americans associated with the trump campaign. liz: former trump 2016 campaign national spokesperson and american first policy spokesperson she's katrina pierson. good to see you. >> great to be here. liz: the back story is unprecedented...
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they've actually said that it is christopher steele who is the criminal. this is diane feinstein responding to the republican's attack on christopher steele. >> why do you think they referred to steele to the justice department for potential criminal investigation? >> my own view, because to my knowledge there has not been a single fact in that reported that has been proven to be incorrect, that it's really to muddy the waters and create a problem. you know, steele brought this information in to the fbi. it's quite amazing that you get punished for providing information. >> i mean, how dangerous is that, that somebody providing information could themselves face punishment for partisan reasons? >> it's extremely dangerous. it's dangerous in two facets. one is legal. i think they're trying to demonize christopher steele, who has a sterling character, a great reputation. there's no basis for it. to try to prevent him from testifying in the united states, because if you look at the damage that the fusion gps testimony did to trump's reputation and the helpfuln
they've actually said that it is christopher steele who is the criminal. this is diane feinstein responding to the republican's attack on christopher steele. >> why do you think they referred to steele to the justice department for potential criminal investigation? >> my own view, because to my knowledge there has not been a single fact in that reported that has been proven to be incorrect, that it's really to muddy the waters and create a problem. you know, steele brought this...
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the agent, christopher steele, worried about a security issue about whether a presidential candidate was being blackmailed. according to simpson's transcript. simpson also testified that steele told him the fbi had similar intelligence from an internal trump campaign source. and that the fbi believed chris' information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing. and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the trump organization. a person close to simpson clarified that the reference to an internal trump campaign source actually refers to the australian ambassador who contacted the fbi to pass on information that he received from former trump campaign foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos. simpson testified the research did not start out as a russia-focused investigation but rather was a broader look at his business career, his finances and they were trying to figure out whether he's really as rich as he says he is. but simpson later said he was also interested in russia. and now trump had made a number of trips
the agent, christopher steele, worried about a security issue about whether a presidential candidate was being blackmailed. according to simpson's transcript. simpson also testified that steele told him the fbi had similar intelligence from an internal trump campaign source. and that the fbi believed chris' information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing. and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the trump...
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that you had the call made to the fbi from christopher steele because he felt obligated to call. not a bunch of bs and garbage, as trump and his allies would have people believe. >> that's right. what people have to remember, who are thinking this is all partisan is steele approaches the fbi before donald trump is president, and he also assumes none of this is going to be public because it's a counterintelligence investigation. so the idea he's doing this for some political gain or to support some political party is belied by the facts. we tend to talk about the dossier as sort of a single document, but what we now know is that there were three theories of what steele was doing. one was the russians cultivated trump over a five-year period. that gets to the financial dealings. the second is the sexual innuendo questions of hookers that we have heard about. and the third is whether the trump campaign was through manafort, who is mentioned specifically in the dossier, and carter page, was accepting the information. those three theories, at least two of them we know to be true now,
that you had the call made to the fbi from christopher steele because he felt obligated to call. not a bunch of bs and garbage, as trump and his allies would have people believe. >> that's right. what people have to remember, who are thinking this is all partisan is steele approaches the fbi before donald trump is president, and he also assumes none of this is going to be public because it's a counterintelligence investigation. so the idea he's doing this for some political gain or to...
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i said senator feinstein let's go ahead and go to the company who hired christopher steele, and christopher steele has been legitimized by the american services as a trusted individual, and obviously the writer of a inflammatory dossier. i think grassley was undermining mr. steele and simpson, and senator feinstein said have at it. >> does it now for all intents and purposes shut down the judiciary committee's investigation? >> they will have to find their own way through. the one thing i do know from the senate intelligence committee, we have had our bumps, and we are going to follow the facts wherever they lead, and we have made great progress. we confirmed that the russians intervened to help trump and hurt clinton, and i think we have exposed, in effect, the dark belly of the social media, and you are seeing facebook and twitter being more active. >> next topic. senator warren, what did you think of the televised meeting with lawmakers and president trump where his negotiating skills or this debate and conversation was in full display? >> what i was glad to see is we are moving forward
i said senator feinstein let's go ahead and go to the company who hired christopher steele, and christopher steele has been legitimized by the american services as a trusted individual, and obviously the writer of a inflammatory dossier. i think grassley was undermining mr. steele and simpson, and senator feinstein said have at it. >> does it now for all intents and purposes shut down the judiciary committee's investigation? >> they will have to find their own way through. the one...
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they seem to be indicating some kind of false statement made by christopher steele to the fbi. you'd have to say the fbi is aware of all of this. they've collected the intelligence from christopher steele and they know what information he's provided to the journalists and so on. so i'm not sure they're telling fbi something the fbi already doesn't know. there's part of this that is a legal thing and the other part is political and these two senators are working in a political sphere. obviously the president is under attack and they believe this entire enterprise has been a political enterprise. that's what they're operating under. >> the biggest point to make where i say covering on a day-to-day basis, it looks -- the president has painted it and called it a political witch hunt and the gop has circled the wagons and everybody supporting the president gives talking points out weekly and everybody is auditions to end up working in the white house who defends it without looking at it as it really is. there are two components, the political component and legal component. going bac
they seem to be indicating some kind of false statement made by christopher steele to the fbi. you'd have to say the fbi is aware of all of this. they've collected the intelligence from christopher steele and they know what information he's provided to the journalists and so on. so i'm not sure they're telling fbi something the fbi already doesn't know. there's part of this that is a legal thing and the other part is political and these two senators are working in a political sphere. obviously...
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christopher steele, the former british intelligence officer who authored the russian dossier. they told the justice department they had reason to believe that steele lied to federal authorities about his contacts with reporters regarding information in the dossier. and they urged the department to investigate. fusion gps, the intelligence firm that had hired steele responded with a statement. after a year of investigations into donald trump's ties to russia, the only person republicans seek to accuse of wrongdoing is one who reported on these matters to law enforcement in the first place. publicizing a criminal referral based on classified information raises serious questions about whether this letter is nothing more than another attempt to discredit government sources in the midst of an ongoing criminal investigation. we should all be skeptical in the extreme. nbc investigative reporter ken dilanian is back with the panel. ken, this seems like the first big, huge, giant test of christopher ray, the new director of the fbi, in the time of trump. is there a justice department,
christopher steele, the former british intelligence officer who authored the russian dossier. they told the justice department they had reason to believe that steele lied to federal authorities about his contacts with reporters regarding information in the dossier. and they urged the department to investigate. fusion gps, the intelligence firm that had hired steele responded with a statement. after a year of investigations into donald trump's ties to russia, the only person republicans seek to...
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they say the russian sources for christopher steele and dossier were not paid. they say they didn't want the dossier published when buzz feed published it. they say they did get it into the hands of john mccain. they say they did not meet themselves with the fbi. and then there is this one last thing, quote, we don't believe the steele dossier was the trigger for the fbi's investigation into russia meddling. as we told the judiciary committee in august, they said the dossier was taken seriously because it corroborated reports the fbi received from other sources including one inside the trump camp. now that last claim from this, again, op ed piece, weird place to break news but that's where it's breaking. that last claim that the christopher steele dossier wasn't what started the fbi's counter intelligence investigation into whether or not the trump campaign colluded with russia. we are now learning tonight that the guys behind the dossier told the senate that in august, maybe that's why the republicans and the senate don't want to release transcripts, but we've
they say the russian sources for christopher steele and dossier were not paid. they say they didn't want the dossier published when buzz feed published it. they say they did get it into the hands of john mccain. they say they did not meet themselves with the fbi. and then there is this one last thing, quote, we don't believe the steele dossier was the trigger for the fbi's investigation into russia meddling. as we told the judiciary committee in august, they said the dossier was taken seriously...
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here's christopher steele. he's a former agent in the mi6, the british international intelligence services. he served in russia. he knows russia's intelligence gathering methods. he begins to gather this information, and he becomes so concerned he thinks there's a national security risk to the u.s., a british intelligence partner. so he according to simpson of his own volition, not under the direction or encouragement of the dnc or democrats, but of his own volition goes to the fbi to report this in july 2016. and two months later in september of 2016 he sits down with the fbi attache in rome and tells them this information. what's interesting is the fbi doesn't tell him, don, you're crazy. haven't heard anything like this. according to simpson, steele says the fbi told him we have other intelligence that's indicative. i'm going to read from the testimony there. they believe that chris's information might be credible because they had other intelligence that might indicate the same thing. and one of those pieces
here's christopher steele. he's a former agent in the mi6, the british international intelligence services. he served in russia. he knows russia's intelligence gathering methods. he begins to gather this information, and he becomes so concerned he thinks there's a national security risk to the u.s., a british intelligence partner. so he according to simpson of his own volition, not under the direction or encouragement of the dnc or democrats, but of his own volition goes to the fbi to report...
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former british intelligence christopher steele might have mixed up some dates when describing to investigators when exactly he had off-the-record conversations with reporters about his intelligence reports, the ones he had handed over to the fbi. you know, it is not unheard of for congressional investigators to make a criminal referral to the justice department. if in the course of their congressional investigation, they turn up information that law enforcement doesn't have, it's not unheard of for congress to notify the relevant law enforcement agent, hey, we turned up something that might -- that looks like you might want to prosecute it. that's happened in serious ethics cases for members of congress. ethics committee is doing intense investigation of a member of congress accused of some ethics violation, in the course of the investigation they turn up serious evidence of potential wrongdoing by that member of congress, that was not otherwise known to or being pursued by the relevant law enforcement agency. in cases like that, the ethics
former british intelligence christopher steele might have mixed up some dates when describing to investigators when exactly he had off-the-record conversations with reporters about his intelligence reports, the ones he had handed over to the fbi. you know, it is not unheard of for congressional investigators to make a criminal referral to the justice department. if in the course of their congressional investigation, they turn up information that law enforcement doesn't have, it's not unheard of...
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is it reference to russian source of christopher steele's, we don't know? we learned very, very interesting things. when christopher steele whatever he discovered he went to former superiors in london and went to fbi here and found credibility what he told them. cheryl: real quickly got to ask you about something the president brought up in his news conference in the 3:00 p.m. eastern time hour. he was asked about the mueller investigation by john roberts of fox news channel and the question was, would you testify, would you feel compelled to testify? the president put it away, we'll get there, he didn't really want to answer that question. >> right. cheryl: but this idea of the president testifying to the mueller commission, how reallies this? >> it's not a commission. it is bob mueller, bunch prosecutors and fbi agents and assistants and grand jury. mueller would request an interview. president would say no. the mueller would ask the grand jury for a subpoena. he would have to show up. when bill clinton asked to testify before federal grand jury. it was h
is it reference to russian source of christopher steele's, we don't know? we learned very, very interesting things. when christopher steele whatever he discovered he went to former superiors in london and went to fbi here and found credibility what he told them. cheryl: real quickly got to ask you about something the president brought up in his news conference in the 3:00 p.m. eastern time hour. he was asked about the mueller investigation by john roberts of fox news channel and the question...
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but conservatives had given money to gps at that time before christopher steele was hired. but in this testimony, wolf, glen simpson says steele was investigating just a basic question about what exactly trump was doing with russia. he said fusion gps had no role what is ever in determining what was said in this dossier, but steele's own concern about prospects of a presidential candidate being potentially blackmailed is the reason why he went to the fbi and briefed them about exactly what he was finding wolf. >> and just getting started reading the nearly 400 pages of that transcript of that testimony. manu, stand by i want to get quick reaction from california congressman eric swalwell, democrat on the house intelligence committee. what's your reaction? i don't know if you've gone through those nearly 400 pages, congressman. >> i have. and i sat through the interview that we had with glen simpson in our committee, wolf. so gratitude to senator feinstein for doing this, let the american people see. illustrates the real credibility of christopher steele and the deep concern
but conservatives had given money to gps at that time before christopher steele was hired. but in this testimony, wolf, glen simpson says steele was investigating just a basic question about what exactly trump was doing with russia. he said fusion gps had no role what is ever in determining what was said in this dossier, but steele's own concern about prospects of a presidential candidate being potentially blackmailed is the reason why he went to the fbi and briefed them about exactly what he...
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how did christopher steele know that? did the fbi tell him? if they did, why is the fbi telling christopher steele, the guy who was paid by fusion who was paid by the clinton campaign, why is the fbi telling christopher steele they got another source on this whole russia investigation? i think that is interesting and something we need to get to the bottom of it. >> martha: yeah it goes to the larger question of whether or not there was a coordinated effort between these intelligence agencies and, perhaps, including the fbi and the clinton campaign to dig up dirt on donald trump, right? >> exactly. and i think when you couple what senator feinstein released today with the story john solomon wrote this morning on additional text messages we have now reviewed, where they talk about planting stories. peter strzok and lisa page in text message exchange talk about planting stories with the media to further their narrative. what was their narrative and what was their plan? it was the insurance policy that was designed to make sure that we can't take
how did christopher steele know that? did the fbi tell him? if they did, why is the fbi telling christopher steele, the guy who was paid by fusion who was paid by the clinton campaign, why is the fbi telling christopher steele they got another source on this whole russia investigation? i think that is interesting and something we need to get to the bottom of it. >> martha: yeah it goes to the larger question of whether or not there was a coordinated effort between these intelligence...
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christopher steele is a former spy. he was obviously contracted by an opposition research firm to accumulate this information, but he referred that information also to the fbi when he thought there might be a criminal act here. the idea they're going to try to discredit the entire probe based on what christopher steele did in terms of talking to reporters or whether every single thing that's part of that dossier is corroborated is not exactly what we would see in a situation like this. >> so natasha, we have white house national security adviser h.r. mcmaster saying there are signs of russian interference in mexico's election. to what extent are u.s. officials concerned about the 2018 midterms and interference? >> well, there is still a lot of concern that the russians could try again and that actually they never even stopped. we saw a big report in "the washington post" about two weeks ago that said that the russians are still actively spreading disinformation and propaganda on social media. every time we see a controv
christopher steele is a former spy. he was obviously contracted by an opposition research firm to accumulate this information, but he referred that information also to the fbi when he thought there might be a criminal act here. the idea they're going to try to discredit the entire probe based on what christopher steele did in terms of talking to reporters or whether every single thing that's part of that dossier is corroborated is not exactly what we would see in a situation like this. >>...
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they pay for it as done by christopher steel and also suing the website buzz feed for putting that file out, suing them for defamation over claims in that file alleging all sorts of unverified selacious statements about trump and russian agents. this as california senator dianne feinstein releases a 312 page transcript of fusion gps co -founder glenn simpson's close door testimony with senate judiciary recently, president trump responding tweeting "the fact that sneaky dianne feinstein who has on numerous occasions stated that collusion between trump russia has not been found would release testimony in such an underhanded and possibly illegal way, totally without authorization is a disgrace" let's bring in the former special assistant to president trump, former press secretary vice president michael pence. calling senator feinstein sneaky don't we need a senator on immigration reform? >> well obviously we will but you know let's remember that these kinds of back and forth on twitter don't have a lot of impact when it cops to voting on policies. liz: but the president said they're offici
they pay for it as done by christopher steel and also suing the website buzz feed for putting that file out, suing them for defamation over claims in that file alleging all sorts of unverified selacious statements about trump and russian agents. this as california senator dianne feinstein releases a 312 page transcript of fusion gps co -founder glenn simpson's close door testimony with senate judiciary recently, president trump responding tweeting "the fact that sneaky dianne feinstein who...
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and we will see whether christopher steele is somebody who ends up with any sort of legal jeopardy. but mostly i think this is an effort to sort of protect the white house by creating some parody on the other side in terms of an investigation into the researcher. >> and the headlines never stop coming. jonathan allen, kevin cirilli. stick around. we do have much more to talk about. >>> coming up, mixed messages. president trump says he would absolutely talk to north korean leader kim jong-un just days after threatening nuclear war. how do you chase what you love with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis? do what i did. ask your doctor about humira. it's proven to help relieve pain and protect joints from further irreversible damage in many adults. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira has been clinically studied for over 20 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blo
and we will see whether christopher steele is somebody who ends up with any sort of legal jeopardy. but mostly i think this is an effort to sort of protect the white house by creating some parody on the other side in terms of an investigation into the researcher. >> and the headlines never stop coming. jonathan allen, kevin cirilli. stick around. we do have much more to talk about. >>> coming up, mixed messages. president trump says he would absolutely talk to north korean leader...
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christopher steele showed it to fbi agent in late summer of 2016 during the presidential campaign. fbi sent a team to debrief him a month before the presidential election. whether the fbi then followed up with sources or did their own interviews and investigations to disprove or verify or build on what christopher steele found? wouldn't you like to know devin nunes? wouldn't you like to see confidential interview transcripts and fbi reports from meetings with confidential human sources? our reporting indicates tonight that nunes was poised to get documents tonight in response to his letter demanding they hand over this sensitive fbi investigatetory material right in the middle of the mueller investigation. but surprise we believe that justice department was poised to hand that over but surprise, didn't hand over anything to devin nunes tonight. and 4:30 this afternoon in walks the justice department to paul ryan's office. deputy attorney general and head of the fbi walk into the office of the man who could be construed to be devin nunes's boss in congress. paul ryan is head of the
christopher steele showed it to fbi agent in late summer of 2016 during the presidential campaign. fbi sent a team to debrief him a month before the presidential election. whether the fbi then followed up with sources or did their own interviews and investigations to disprove or verify or build on what christopher steele found? wouldn't you like to know devin nunes? wouldn't you like to see confidential interview transcripts and fbi reports from meetings with confidential human sources? our...
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it is christopher steele, and on and on. the question i want answered if we can. does the release of the transcript help us define more of that story today? >> honestly my answer is no because the two biggest almost surprising sensational revelations in this testimony, if we believe it are that a, a person was killed as a result of the release of this information and b, there was a mole inside the trump campaign providing the f.b.i. with the information. now i'm quite skeptical of both claims. the first one seems a little convenient given that if fusion gps was so worried about their sources why were they sending this dossier to every media outlet in town trying to get it to report it and buzz feed did. point two, for the person inside the trump campaign we're already hearing and again these are unconfirmed reports, that that person may have been george papadopoulos and his conversation with the australian ambassador. >> bill: that was bar talk, right, in london over drinks. >> george papadopoulos not the most reliable. a guy who has already been indicted for lyin
it is christopher steele, and on and on. the question i want answered if we can. does the release of the transcript help us define more of that story today? >> honestly my answer is no because the two biggest almost surprising sensational revelations in this testimony, if we believe it are that a, a person was killed as a result of the release of this information and b, there was a mole inside the trump campaign providing the f.b.i. with the information. now i'm quite skeptical of both...
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he's the founder of fusion gps that commissioned this dossier by christopher steel by the president and russia ties. it raises questions about potential money laundering between potential trump associates, et cetera, and russian associates. no clear answers. we're wondering have you seen in your house on the house intel committee any direct evidence of money laundering involving anyone in the trump orbit? >> i've seen a lot of evidence, poppy of money laundering, but it can't be tested or compared without subpoena power and third party validation. as you said, glenn symptom testified about leads he had about money laundering. one of the favorite parts of my committee, it shows all the flaws this committee has had by the way republicans have been leading it. at one point a republican asked glenn simpson, how would we find out what has been alleged on money laundering? simpson curiously looked at the republican and said, well, you would have to subpoena that. the republican was acting as if they don't have subpoena power. we do have subpoena power. the problem is they're not willing to us
he's the founder of fusion gps that commissioned this dossier by christopher steel by the president and russia ties. it raises questions about potential money laundering between potential trump associates, et cetera, and russian associates. no clear answers. we're wondering have you seen in your house on the house intel committee any direct evidence of money laundering involving anyone in the trump orbit? >> i've seen a lot of evidence, poppy of money laundering, but it can't be tested or...
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which is an opposition research firm they work for a lot of clients candidates christopher steele was hired by them was so concerned about the possibility that trump was being blackmailed by the russians that he actually went to the f.b.i. himself and said hey you guys ought to be aware of this so he took it seriously and the f.b.i. is taking it seriously think we'll have a government shutdown. i don't think so you know i. have seen one right with newt gingrich. ten years fifteen twenty maybe twenty years ago now it didn't work too well for nucular kitchen it didn't work so well for the republicans i think a government shutdown would hurt both parties and i think both of them are would like to would almost do anything to avoid it but i think the one thing democrats are not going to go for this deal the trump is offering them larry right now there he's saying yeah you you can have your dreamers if you give me eighteen billion dollars from my wall i've talked to a lot of democrats on the hill in the last couple of days since they've been back and i haven't found one democrat who would v
which is an opposition research firm they work for a lot of clients candidates christopher steele was hired by them was so concerned about the possibility that trump was being blackmailed by the russians that he actually went to the f.b.i. himself and said hey you guys ought to be aware of this so he took it seriously and the f.b.i. is taking it seriously think we'll have a government shutdown. i don't think so you know i. have seen one right with newt gingrich. ten years fifteen twenty maybe...
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>> well, i think it validates the character, frankly of christopher steele. he was well regarded, and i'm speaking, i should say, the caveat here, i'm speaking of contemporaneously when i was serving as dni before january 20th. chris steele was regarded as a dedicated professional both by his british colleagues. i know this firsthand, as well as by the fbi. and i think it speaks to his instincts, his professional instincts that when he grew concerned about what he was learning that he first apparently reported this to his own government as well as to the fbi. i think the transcript to me just a casual read of it, it seems like there is a lot of focus on trying to shoot the messenger rather than the substantive content of what he was reporting, which to me is the important consideration here. in the end it's who put it together. having said that, i ever to reiterate as well that the reason that we did not include the dossier per se as an organic part of the intelligence community assessment we published on january 6th of 2017 in which we briefed to then presid
>> well, i think it validates the character, frankly of christopher steele. he was well regarded, and i'm speaking, i should say, the caveat here, i'm speaking of contemporaneously when i was serving as dni before january 20th. chris steele was regarded as a dedicated professional both by his british colleagues. i know this firsthand, as well as by the fbi. and i think it speaks to his instincts, his professional instincts that when he grew concerned about what he was learning that he...
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christopher steele and his impeccable credentials and being accurate in the past that's why they used him to collect the dossier this time. >> congressman, we'll continue this conversation. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> nearly 400 pages of testimony. we'll continue our special coverage of what we just saw truly extraordinarily meeting at the white house, they allowed the cameras in. brooke baldwin continues our coverage. >>> this is cnn breaking news. >>> all right. wolf, thank you so much. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me for what is shaping out to it be quite a busy tuesday. president opened bipartisan meeting to cameras for white a while and it was remarkable showing. republicans and democrats sitting around this table today discussing the needs to solve the problem fror dreamers, undocumented immigrants forced to enter the u.s. as children on the verge of losing legal status unless congress does something about that. but as this meeting revealed a sign of solidarity to solve the problem it also unveiled the details. the president insists any dr
christopher steele and his impeccable credentials and being accurate in the past that's why they used him to collect the dossier this time. >> congressman, we'll continue this conversation. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> nearly 400 pages of testimony. we'll continue our special coverage of what we just saw truly extraordinarily meeting at the white house, they allowed the cameras in. brooke baldwin continues our coverage. >>> this is cnn breaking news....